“First I had cancer. Then everything became very simple”
Kang and I worked together for a couple of years and had last seen each other over 18 years back. No surprise to any one of you – I had kept up with him – if not anything else, thru that once in a year birthday call. Then, in 2008, he learnt that he had Stage 2 cancer. That same week, his mom was diagnosed with cancer too. I kept up with him thru Facebook updates on his health and stories of not giving up biking thru everything and used to send him encouraging words of support on fighting the good fight.
And then this September, after many many rounds of chemo and radio therapy and seven long years of perseverant “it ain’t over till it is over”, he was declared in remission. For the last few years, I have been wanting to spend some quality one on one time with Kang to get his perspective of life as he went thru clearly a life-altering phase.
Today was my day. I had set up a one on one dinner with him and I had a few simple questions for him. The evening was a great life lesson for me. I am going to write it up as a short interview style writeup here.
The opening was enough to tell me that I am going to learn a lot this evening.
Rajib: “I am sorry you had to go thru this tough phase in life.”
Kang: “No, no. I am glad I did. If I had the power to change anything in my past life, this is not something I am touching. I would go thru it again, if I had to.”
RR: “Really? You were not afraid that you were going to die?”
KL: “Rajib, we are all going to die. I just found out that day a possible way that I might die. If I did not wake up every day worried that I would die some day and I could not change it, why should the knowledge of one possible way I might die worry me any more?”
RR: “Good point. But death denotes some kind of finality, does it not?”
KL: “Well, it is all in how think about it. Are you the same Rajib when I met you 18 years back? Are you the same Rajib when you were ten years old? As a person, your values, your likings, your passion – in fact, every body cell of yours has changed. Does that mean you have died? Rather, does it not mean that the Rajib of forty years back is dead. All of you have is a small subset of disjointed memories. See, every morning, we wake up with a small part of us having died and replaced by a new part. Physical death is nothing but a culmination of that process. It is a passage of life. You cannot accept life if you cannot accept death as a natural part of it”.
RR: “Does that not then lead to a nihilistic view of life – how much does it matter if it is going to end in death anyways?”.
KL: “ Quite to the contrary, it makes you appreciate life a lot more. You get a very different perspective towards why you live…”
RR: “I have always thought that acceptance of mortality is the best setter of priority”.
KL: ”… exactly. In my case things like job promotion and such – as an example – have become far more meaningless. It is more important for me to spend time in the ways I want to spend time. When you go thru these kind of phases in life, you get some sense knocked into you. One of them is how fruitless your life’s day to day aspirations have become.”
RR: ”Because you let others drive your priorities?”
RR: “It is true that as human beings, we are more focused on what we don’t have than what we have.”
It is not really your life.
RR: “I get that. But here is a dilemma I have. I can see how you took a long view of the road and decided to take cancer in a proper perspective and obviously your mental strength helped you get over your physical challenges. But you did not know you will win the battle. More importantly, your family did not know that. For all the great talk of perspectives in life, the fact has to be that your wife was suddenly staring at the prospect of raising two kids who were yet to be five years old all by herself. The kids – and I do not know how much they understood this – was looking at the real possibility of losing dad for ever. How did they deal with it?”
KL: “And don’t forget my mom. She survived her own cancer. And then she was looking at possibly losing her son. It is a sense of helplessness only we as parents can truly understand.”
RR: “Yes. So all this self-realization – how does that help them?”
KL: “I am not sure I have a good answer for you. You can only control your own life. But I will tell you that my wife took this in her stride and dealt with the whole thing with a whole lot level of self assuredness than my mom did. But I did realize something else.”
KL: “This life of yours that you think is yours is not just yours. There are other people who have a say in it and need to have a say in it. You have to also decide your priorities thinking about them.”
RR: “You do understand the inherent conflict that can often create?”
KL: “Deeply so.”
Dealing with Pain:
RR: “So, talk to me about all the pain you had to endure. Chemotherapy and radio therapy is not fun for anybody”.
KL: “Radio therapy is much worse”
RR: “How so?”
KL: “In chemo, you are getting controlled poison. Your body violently reacts and you feel it and the body will try to sleep it thru because of the tiredness and lack of energy. In radio therapy, you will completely drained and wasted but you are really not tired. So, you cannot sleep. You just stay awake going thru that painful feeling.”
RR: “So, what lessons do you have for me as you dealt with that pain?”
KL: “First, that pain is a forward indicator. It merely indicates that there might be a breakdown coming. But usually it is a long time coming. And with evolution of human beings, we are feeling pain much earlier than we used to. Because we pay attention to the smallest pain – the faintest early indicator. And when you go thru cancer, you realize that the actual break point is way way far out. In fact, I biked thru all the time that I was ailing and my body still did not break down – meaning I did not die, did I?”
RR: “So, you think it is all in the mind.”
KL: “A big part. Sure.”
Small things in life.
RR: “I have to ask you something. For all this mental fortitude – and I commend you for that – the chores of having to go to hospital everyday, do this, do that … – all that was a change, right? Mentally, did you not feel that this is different? Others do not have to do this. Did that not make you feel down?”
KL: “Well, let me ask you. Do you think brushing your teeth every morning is a chore? You do not question that. Do you? You get up, brush teeth, take shower etc etc. You may have a car – so you drive to work. Somebody else does not – they walk up to the the bus station or train. Is that a chore for them? Do they feel down? It is all in accepting that this is a standard activity for you.”
RR: “The new normal, so to speak?”
KL: “The new normal”
RR: “But that means that is a change”
KL: “Well, your normal today is not what was normal forty years back. Do you complain about it today? You just have accepted that it is normal for you.”
Lest you think we talked just about cancer and the long view of the road, we also talked about China, India, parental responsibilities – especially how to deal with the fact that two kids can be very very different and also the twenty odd colleagues we had in our Canada office.
In fact, we left on the note that next time we get together, we should get all those colleagues together.
You know. Just to appreciate life.
The conversation reminds me of some sections in Zen and the art of Moto maintainence.
Thank you Rajib Roy for this wonderful write up. You give me more credit than I deserved. I’m equally enlightened by your efforts to keep pace and in touch with all of us. Until next time!
Turns out, Bob, you were one of our subjects of discussion today!!
Bob Hart, our thoughts are with you. The fight has a wonderful ending!
Thank you for sharing… Very thoughtful
Thanks for sharing. Beautiful ( not sure I am using it for the true sense of the word) and thought provoking. Lines that make you go “Hmmmm”….., “It is more important for me to spend time in the ways I want to spend time.”……”Rajib, we are all going to die. I just found out that day a possible way that I might die.” ( I am thinking about those inside the plane today that crashed in South America..They didn’t even get a heads up, even if they did that was just a tiny one ). … and finally ““No, no. I am glad I did. If I had the power to change anything in my past life, this is not something I am touching. I would go thru it again, if I had to.”….
Thanks to Kang Lu for sharing your story with Rajib and allowing him to share your story with all of us.
This was a lesson on life itself. I, of course, admire the way your friend took it in his stride and come out the winner, but I also greatly admire the fortitude of his family.
Kang, last time I was visiting Toronto, you were out of town, interestingly in the same trip I met Rajib at Niagra. Good to see two of my early mates from i2 days having an inspirational conversation.
Rajib Roy let me know if I can share this post
Sure thing, Pinaki
His words are so true Rajib, ….I have seen Jhumpa gone through the same…these are difficult facts to accept in the beginning but, we adapt ourselves slowly.
Loved the conversation.
Superb write up, appreciate your efforts to record it thanks
I read this several times. And i can say that i learnt so many things that no book has ever taught me. Thanks for sharing this conversation.
Great read and perspective…
Rajib Roy thanks for sharing. I have a request as Mrinal is not in fb if possible pls email to him.
Seemitadi, here is a link you can send him http://www.rajibroy.com/?p=12053
Thanks for sharing this. We all are searching meaning of life through bits and pieces of our life experiences. It is beautiful.
Kang, sorry you had to go through all that treatment… fantastic you are OK ! Thanks to you and Rajib for sharing your story
Great to see you two together. A couple of guys that I have always admired and had the honor of working with – was it really 18 years ago? Good to see Kang looking robust and healthy – and I am giving the bike some of the credit!
YOU are a Teacher of different Subjects .God bless you.
Thanks for sharing beautiful words of wisdom.
Wise words indeed.
Inspirational narrative that reminds us, “if you are not now, you never were”. Kang thanks for sharing such thought provoking learnings from a very difficult situation.
Rajib your readers may enjoy one of the most inspiring talks called The Last Lecture from CMU prof Randy Pausch.
That is a very powerful set of words, Milind – If you are not now, you never were!!
Thanks Rajib. Unknown to you, this was perhaps the write up I needed just at this time. Thanks again RR
What’s going on?
Work, as usual.
Yesterday I had gone to meet a friend of mine who is just entered remission in his chemo regime. Was not too sure how to react to the situation
Thanks Rajib for sharing this beautiful piece of your experience and emotions. Very thoughtful of u. Thanks again. A big salute to your brave friend. God bless him.
Thanks for sharing. Food for thought, indeed.
Thanks Rajib for sharing in a brilliant writeup, and your friend Kang is truly inspiring – best wishes to him
Well its a nice way of looking through changes and enjoying every moments of it.Thanks to u and ur friend for sharing such thoughts.
O yeah ! I loved the conversation thoroughly. Kang has exhibited such a unique and positive perspective to life itself, not just dealing with disease. Really enchanting, livening and refreshing to the mind and soul. Much to learn ! Kudos to both of you for making this conversation possible and for reproducing it here. Aptly worded. Great job !!
Rightly said: making the best out of life. Kang should immortalise his journey through life in a book.
Want to keep a print out of this conversation and revisit it.
Printout might be better from the website than facebook…
Thanks Rajib for sharing such an awesome story that is so inspiring. .loved it..
Wow. Good timing for me to receive in my life right now.
No I don’t have cancer… but have been struggling with a sense of unease&malaise. I won’t go into details here, but this story just highlights where my attention has been: on what I don’t have rather than what I do… and the mind’s story that the way things are right now is how they will always be.
Thank you for the example that there *are* other ways of thinking / seeing /being.